tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post113424214297259888..comments2024-03-01T16:32:41.076+08:00Comments on Sun Bin: ASEAN + 3 or ASEAN + 6? for East Asia SummitSun Binhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134579994691771512005-12-15T02:06:00.000+09:002005-12-15T02:06:00.000+09:00sun bin,fyi, i posted the following to the "new al...sun bin,<BR/><BR/>fyi, i posted the following to the "new allies" thread in curson's site 48hrs. ago, still no sign of it, looks like your hospitality to let all comers have their say here isnt reciprocated in all those bigots' site, mind u , those are the ones who talk <BR/>the loudest about freedom of speech and all that jazz, typical yanks if u ask me, "do as what we say, not what we do"<BR/><BR/>-----------------------<BR/>latest evident http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/17/200504172206552209900090309031.html<BR/><BR/>indicates that sun bin is right, but kushibo, the self appointed Korean expert, is way off.....<BR/><BR/>----------------Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134469794255729362005-12-13T19:29:00.000+09:002005-12-13T19:29:00.000+09:00The really interesting story of this summit is tha...The really interesting story of this summit is that Wen Jiabao does not like his red batik shirt - he finds it too red.<BR/>The Korean Pm doesn't mind his green shirt, though his minders had earlier said he wouldn't like it.<BR/>Putin's bodyguards shredded his suit by accident. Dunno how.<BR/>And the Straits Times (Malaysia) today reported that the +3 leaders met up in an anteroom before a meeting and chatted about...Hallyu, Korean drama!Innocuous enough. They couldn't come to blows abt Yasukuni.<BR/>Japan has been defeated on the +6,for the time being. But has ``pledged'' $63 billion to forge closer Asean ties.<BR/>But, considering Prof Lim's article which spotlighted Japan's falling Asean investments, that is too little, too late perhaps, in contrast China's $370 bn trade with Asean.<BR/>Besides, it's only a `pledge' - what will Japan want in exchange from Asean.<BR/>Even the FTA agreement with Malaysia sounds a half-hearted attempt at promoting regionalism, but doesn't really offer anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134369499233769872005-12-12T15:38:00.000+09:002005-12-12T15:38:00.000+09:00Hey, Sun Bin, you bigot ;o ;o, you've been drowned...Hey, Sun Bin, you bigot ;o ;o, you've been drowned by a torrent from a spigot over on the New Allies thread at Curzon!<BR/>The tide must have carried you somewhere to Mr K's hometown deep in the Corn Belt...I can almost see the cobs sticking out of the ears!<BR/>Asean +6....more about that later. I am up to the neck (in floodwater? ;O) covering the event...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134344851954670152005-12-12T08:47:00.000+09:002005-12-12T08:47:00.000+09:00tom,yes, US can sign them up one by one if it want...tom,<BR/><BR/>yes, US can sign them up one by one if it wants. these trade pacts are not exclusive.<BR/><BR/>it can also expand NAFTA over the other side of the pacific to make a true APEC, if it can convince the protectionists within US. there is really no reason to whine.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134318372252556612005-12-12T01:26:00.000+09:002005-12-12T01:26:00.000+09:00it wasnt too long ago that, following the lead of ...it wasnt too long ago that, following the lead of uncle sham, john howard declared australia also has the "right" to launch "premptory attack" on any countries in the region which is deemed to harbour "terrorists"<BR/>such hubris naturally provoked lots of outrage from the sea countries. not least from dr mahathir of malaysia ;-)<BR/><BR/>vow, so now they have signed a non aggression pact with asean in order to get in the east asian forum. i guess it means the end of <BR/>preemtory war doctrine eh?<BR/><BR/>why is uncle's deputy bending himself backward to get in the asean meeting?<BR/>why is uncle so keen to patrol in the malacca straits?<BR/>we know the answer to both questions dont we?<BR/><BR/>no wonder dr mahathir is again sounding the warning about us trojan horse in our midst,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134295870546617562005-12-11T19:11:00.000+09:002005-12-11T19:11:00.000+09:00Furthermore the US already has a bilateral free tr...Furthermore the US already has a bilateral free trade agreement with Australia. And it has been pushing hard for a similar one with Thailand. Both of these push beyond the sort of agreement that would result from inside ASEAN, since the US is interested in opening markets that the existing members of ASEAN don't deem crucial. {like protection of US patents on big pharmaceutical companies in ASEAN, especially banning items like generic versions of anti-virals for AIDS}.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134273944820163322005-12-11T13:05:00.000+09:002005-12-11T13:05:00.000+09:00i think APEC is too large to make it works. it is ...i think APEC is too large to make it works. it is always easier to start small and add new members one by one.<BR/><BR/>if apec can become a free trade zone in a couple years. there is no need for the EAS at all. so i think this is a good step for the asians to reach something tangible.<BR/><BR/>in addition, the americas have their own NAFTA/etc. they are not interested in a trade pact. US, however, just want to step its foot it for "strategic reason", even though they probably are not very clear what kind of strategic reason it serves.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134268586743341772005-12-11T11:36:00.000+09:002005-12-11T11:36:00.000+09:00With the inclusion of Aussie, New Zealand, US and ...With the inclusion of Aussie, New Zealand, US and Russia in the future, it looks more and more like the Apec, why don't they just combine the two into one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134263650803768812005-12-11T10:14:00.000+09:002005-12-11T10:14:00.000+09:00thanks, you are right.i would change the wording.thanks, you are right.<BR/>i would change the wording.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1134263460996331172005-12-11T10:11:00.000+09:002005-12-11T10:11:00.000+09:00If instead of saying "US ploy (can I call it consp...If instead of saying "US ploy (can I call it conspiracy) to contain China", you said it was "a neo-con ploy to contain China", then I would not object.<BR/><BR/>I don't think there is a unanimous intention, even among the entire Bush administration, in the US to contain China. There definitely is the intention of the PNAC contingent to not allow any power center that would rival the US to come in to existence. <BR/><BR/>{and this ploy to ensure a sole power center and disrupting/containing/destroying all potential rival power centers sounds a whole lot like the ruling philosophy of a certain group running a large Asian country.}Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com