tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post6460978750794253749..comments2024-03-01T16:32:41.076+08:00Comments on Sun Bin: John Mauldin's "geopolitics of China"Sun Binhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-36838486745190490182008-10-12T21:19:00.000+08:002008-10-12T21:19:00.000+08:00blackmoor, thanks. i do not have the original stra...blackmoor, <BR/>thanks. i do not have the original stratfor article but maudlin did acknowledged friedman. i would add a note to the top of the post.<BR/><BR/>anon above,<BR/>please check email.<BR/><BR/>s.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-85776580147453344402008-10-12T21:02:00.000+08:002008-10-12T21:02:00.000+08:00I read your comment on the pay scale of public ser...I read your comment on the pay scale of public servants in China. It is insightful. How can I reach you? My blog is http://blog.sina.com.cn/wumuluan<BR/>you could find my email.thanks.<BR/>AlfredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-83560199422570573832008-10-12T19:52:00.000+08:002008-10-12T19:52:00.000+08:00I think the original idea of China as an island is...I think the original idea of China as an island is not from estimable John Mauldin. He is just quoting an article from George Friedman, the Founder of Stratfor.com. So your topic John Mauldin "geopolitics of China" is not entierly accurate.Blackmoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06374415052562105714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-29496546377888105852008-10-12T17:42:00.000+08:002008-10-12T17:42:00.000+08:00He doesn't have a point. All he showed was haphaza...He doesn't have a point. All he showed was haphazard ranting. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-67325684712901565272008-10-12T10:57:00.000+08:002008-10-12T10:57:00.000+08:00@anonymous: Most of your points are interesting, b...@anonymous: Most of your points are interesting, but you don't need all of the insults to state your argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-29445811022843037692008-10-12T03:48:00.000+08:002008-10-12T03:48:00.000+08:00upps is forgot fixed map..http://i38.tinypic.com/2...upps is forgot fixed map..<BR/><BR/>http://i38.tinypic.com/2zrm03t.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-17912010086228970772008-10-12T03:46:00.000+08:002008-10-12T03:46:00.000+08:00The map (above) is not entirely accurate for those...The map (above) is not entirely accurate for those who know the geographies.---<BR/><BR/><BR/>yEAPP, You are right. he should exclude Manchurian areas too. <BR/><BR/>here fixed map:<BR/><BR/>btw. Why has he colored Mongolia blue? <BR/><BR/>--e.g.among places excluded in the "island" are Xian which is part of the "China proper", historically, politically and demographically,-- <BR/><BR/>Xian was exluded by Mongolians when the great Khans invasion forced "Chinese" to migrate into Kanton areas. Today Xian is a same "chinese" like Manchuria or inner Mongolia.<BR/><BR/>--and a number of other locations such as Liaodong penisular.-- <BR/><BR/>) realy.. why dont you say that Seoul was chinese capital?<BR/>(btw. i hope you have not fogot about that funny law of manchu (who rulled China until declaration of "Chinese nation and republic" wich forbided chinese to setle in Manchuria?)<BR/><BR/>--If Mauldin reads historically maps of China he would probably recognize that both the NW of Korea--<BR/><BR/>i think it is YOU who should start to read historicaly maps and recognize that he is talking about the "Chinese" Nation and not the "Land invaded and assimilated by chinese".<BR/><BR/>"(i.e. NW coast down to south of Pyongyeong) was included into the Chinese empire until late Ming)"<BR/><BR/>Funny is that Ming were Ming and not "Chinese".<BR/><BR/>--and North Vietnam formed part of "geopolitical China".--<BR/><BR/>gosh.. Seaking of geopolitics i think you should find a map wich does show wich population and land declarated themselfes as "chinese" and wich were conquered and invaded by Chian Kai Cheks and Maos armies..<BR/><BR/>--China was really defended by naturally barriers from all sides with the technology a couple hundred years ago -- e.g. This East Han map (from jp.wiki.org) where Han expanded wherever it could constrained only by geography--<BR/><BR/>This map show Han relationships not Han Empire. <BR/>Aside that Han Empire never dclarated itself as Chinese. So can you please stop to use it for the justification of chinese nationalism, colonialism and imperialism? THANK YOU!<BR/><BR/>--Today inner Manchuria became part of China are the Han China was conquered by the Manchus around 1644--<BR/><BR/>Neither is Manchuria a part of China, nor was "Han China" (That part of Han Empire wich was used to be called "China") conquered by Machus. just because As Manchu started to invade into China Han Empire was long time vanished..<BR/><BR/>---This makes China's population density (over useful land) perhaps 7 time higher than US perhaps 20% of land in US is also desert like Gobi, so 3/(1/3)x80%=7)--<BR/><BR/>WEll.. speaking about geography and demographics; first of all Gobi is not a Part of China. its still a part Of <BR/>Mongolia . <BR/>Second; he is speaking about a population wich is inside of this "Chinese Island". <BR/>Third; PRC is not that bad populated like European West. Compared to Europe by geographical and population borders Peoples Republic of China has only 400-500 millions more. i hope you can see own map one topic deeper.. and realy, be happy i am not talking about such countries like India or Bangladesh..<BR/><BR/> -- understanding this will help one understand why the PRC leaders often talked about survival as one key elements of 'human right", they are serious about this, historically many people die (in fact, famine was commonplace in Chinese history) whenever there was upheaval (and vice versa)--<BR/><BR/>yeahh.. let me see this "survival"; Citizen War, Invasion into Manchuria, Tibet, East Turkestan, Colonialism of conquered Land by the wrong agricultural planing und use.. then "Great Leap Forward", "Cultural Revolution", "Kolhos-agriculture", "Wrong Monocultures" "Industrial Monocultures". (Mongols still loling their arse off when they remember how Chinese tryed to make their stepe and waste Land to "green oase with Bamboo and happy smiling pandas" back in 50-70ens..)<BR/><BR/>--As mentioned above, historically the "buffer zone" would include Vietnam and NW Korea -- <BR/><BR/>For PRC not for China.. And i am speaking about modern History and not your immaginary "Han were there" nazi-crap..<BR/><BR/>--both people were very much sinicized, culturally advanced and often friendly to (pay tribute to) the Han China---<BR/><BR/>Bullshit neither were they sinized nor were they "friendly" to the Han China. All what they did were a bow to Han Rullers and their armies when they knocked on their doors. btw. "pay tribute" means not to be owned by Han Empire. Aside that Han Empire payed tribute to Central Asian and Indian Kingdoms.(for save trade routes) Wana to talk who is a real historical and political owner of PRC now?<BR/><BR/>---As a matter of fact, they used Chinese character until very recently--<BR/><BR/>Nope.. They used chinese writing language and not until now. btw; many Chinese can talk in English now. are you trying to tell us something now? <BR/><BR/>--It should also be noted that historically China was often "forced" to expand, notably the westward exploration in Han (and also Tang) was forced on by Mongolian (Hun/Turk) invasions.-- <BR/><BR/>That is Bullshit and you know it. Or are you going to tell me that genozide on Djungars and sinisation (aka Aryanization chinese way) was forced by themselfes? how dumb can a human be then?<BR/><BR/>Speaking about The Geopolitics of China you are failed to understand John Mauldins position and leaped into sinocentrism, imperialism and chinese nationalism.. <BR/><BR/>pitty.. and he was just trying to uderstand chinese point of forign politics..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com