tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post114232729614441495..comments2024-03-01T16:32:41.076+08:00Comments on Sun Bin: Lin Huai-min on Taiwan's papers, and their business strategiesSun Binhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142920627040127002006-03-21T14:57:00.000+09:002006-03-21T14:57:00.000+09:00having said that, i disagree with you about tabloi...having said that, i disagree with you about tabloidization. i think there is nothing wrong with a commercial media addressing to the needs of the market. such attitude would make sure that the medium does not sway too far away from common sense.<BR/><BR/>the problem of all these other papers in taiwan is, exactly, the lack of market sense.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142920335087820542006-03-21T14:52:00.000+09:002006-03-21T14:52:00.000+09:00No. I think Apple Daily has many defects. I also t...No. I think Apple Daily has many defects. I also think the quality of their staf (or in general those in HK) are not as good as those in Taiwan.<BR/><BR/>In addition, AD HK is becoming more and more like UDN these days, with one-sided view supplied by dubious pseudo-academics.<BR/><BR/>however, AD TW is still fairer and better than those other papers in Taiwan. and AD HK still has many good stuff (esp compared with other papers in HK).Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142919032260169312006-03-21T14:30:00.000+09:002006-03-21T14:30:00.000+09:00You just like Apply Daily cause you have HK pride....You just like Apply Daily cause you have HK pride. That's all there is to it. They may not have obvious political leanings at times, but their sensationalism and news as entertainment can only be called the barest, most emanciated of neutralities.<BR/><BR/>Low brow is HK culture, and they're good at exporting it, i.e. Jackie Chan makes a fool of himself based on his "Asian-ness", which is fine for him, but it is no less despicable than nor so far removed from an actual black American performing black face. You can cater to people's basest notions, and it's a sure thing you'll make money; but you'll never be respected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142506652892459082006-03-16T19:57:00.000+09:002006-03-16T19:57:00.000+09:00Sun Bin wrote:- - -of course you are the only one ...Sun Bin wrote:<BR/>- - -<BR/><I>of course you are the only one who know. as many other people also claim so. :)</I><BR/>- - -<BR/><BR/>Of course, <I>you</I> are the only one who knows what that sentence means.<BR/><BR/>You also wrote:<BR/>- - -<BR/><I>are you claiming China Post is more objective than Taipei Times?</I><BR/>- - -<BR/><BR/>No, and what would ever give you that idea?<BR/><BR/>And this:<BR/>- - -<BR/><I>poison apple is perhaps the best in taiwan, unfortunately.</I><BR/>- - -<BR/><BR/>"Prettiest" poison? Best-selling lies? Best at obscuring the truth? None of the papers is "objective," but the TT, TD, <I>Taiwan News</I>, and <I>Liberty Times</I> are certainly more <I>honest</I> than the others -- I know this from their reporting on events which I have witnessed personally.<BR/><BR/>Finally, Sun Bin does something good:<BR/>- - -<BR/><I> ohh...i saw the mistake now (and corrected it).</I><BR/>- - -<BR/><BR/>Good to see the correction, at least. It's a step above any of those pro-blue/pro-China papers.Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142499676473658942006-03-16T18:01:00.000+09:002006-03-16T18:01:00.000+09:00ohh...i saw the mistake now (and corrected it). i ...ohh...i saw the mistake now (and corrected it). i meant to say they are all propaganda, mostly for DPP (and some for KMT as well).Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142499125494418722006-03-16T17:52:00.000+09:002006-03-16T17:52:00.000+09:00maddog,thanks for the comment but i disagree.of co...maddog,<BR/><BR/>thanks for the comment but i disagree.<BR/><BR/>of course you are the only one who know. as many other people also claim so. :)<BR/><BR/>anyway, china post is as guilty as taipei times, CT/UDN are as guilty as TD/FT. are you claiming China Post is more objective than Taipei Times? <BR/><BR/>one example of the propaganda: they equate DPP with "democracy".<BR/><BR/>for the record, i read books about 228 published by DPP supporters and i have good friends who are die-hard DPP supporters. I do not just read and i know CP/CT/UDN are biased. poison apple is perhaps the best in taiwan, unfortunately.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>thanks for anon, the translation link is <A HREF="http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060315_1.htm" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Sun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142496903315096742006-03-16T17:15:00.000+09:002006-03-16T17:15:00.000+09:00Sun Bin, I don't think you know what "objective" m...Sun Bin, I don't think you know what "objective" means when it comes to Taiwan.<BR/><BR/>Out of the English blogs about Taiwan politics, I'd say that 5 or 6 could be considered "propaganda for <I>democracy</I>," if anything, but certainly not "propaganda" for the DPP. (By the way, including the <I><B>China</B> Post</I> in there is either an awful mistake or a symptom of a very serious disorder.) We all <I>criticize</I> the DPP when they are ineffective, weak, or flat-out wrong, but I dare to say that most of us <I>despise</I> the <A TITLE="Killed Many Taiwanese">KMT</A> for perfectly valid reasons: killing many Taiwanese, imposing 40 years of martial law, oppressing the language and culture of Taiwan, and so on.<BR/><BR/>The DPP has <I>nothing</I> on the <A TITLE="Killed Many Taiwanese">KMT</A> in <I>any</I> of those areas. Of course, you'd never know that if you only read the <I><B>China</B> Post</I>, <I><B>China</B> Times</I>, <I><B>United</B> Daily News</I>, <I>(Poison) Apple Daily</I>, etc.Tim Maddoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943522529132663780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142482191769346942006-03-16T13:09:00.000+09:002006-03-16T13:09:00.000+09:00Hey, ESWN has the English-language translation up!...Hey, ESWN has the English-language translation up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142436195519986332006-03-16T00:23:00.000+09:002006-03-16T00:23:00.000+09:00thx david,i think your site is one of the few that...thx david,<BR/><BR/>i think your site is one of the few that tried to be objective.<BR/><BR/>well, i think there are more fair blogs outside on china/hk.<BR/><BR/>china times? i think it was light blue, and now it becomes a lot bluer. that creates an overlap with United -- one of them will become redundant sooner or later.<BR/><BR/>sunbinSun Binhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093210384069958083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13378665.post-1142427371716560672006-03-15T21:56:00.000+09:002006-03-15T21:56:00.000+09:00"There are indeed many in Taiwan who are not simpl..."There are indeed many in Taiwan who are not simply Green or Blue."<BR/>Err ... the huge majority of people in Taiwan are not simply Green or Blue.<BR/><BR/>p.s. Thanks for your endorsement of my site. By the way most of the English-language blogs in HK & China are even worse propaganda sites - don't believe a word they say. Oh and the China Times a mouthpiece for the DPP?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com