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some mis-guided pseudo-scientist's advice, there has been a law suit against a science project, the LHC near Geneva, Switzerland. And they had used See-see-P's argument that Rights = right to survive, and that the experiment is threatening to create a black hole which would engulf the whole earth, and therefore violates their rights to survive.
Fine, maybe they do agree with the government in China and maybe that is what 'rights' mean. I could go along with that, sort of. But the point is, there is a law in physics called energy conservation, and it takes much larger amount of energy to create a black hole large enough to engulf this world.
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Supposedly according to popular media science, which is probably heavily sensationalized and inaccurate, LHC could, for an extremely small chance, create a mini black hole on the scale of a few "atoms". Not dangerous enough to engulf the world in one swoop. But it would start sucking everything around it because it is so dense, making it bigger and bigger, and eventually consume the whole world. But take this with a grain of salt, because first, there's only an extremely small chance, and second, the source is popular media science.
yes, that was the claim, which has been refuted by CERN scientists.
One evidence is that "Black Hole" (viz, temporary singularity in space-time) of such energy are common among cosmic rays which are see everyday. having the LHC creates no material difference in terms of such "singularities"
as for the real world black holes, there is a critical mass (chandrasekar) which is much larger than that of the sun. masses far from that are unstable, and more unstable the further apart its mass is from the chandrasekar mass.
the nano-black-holes these pseudo-scientists are talking about are the mass of a few molecules.
Oh, lol, you showed me. Should have read more real science before commenting.
:) if everybody knows everything, there is no need for discussion/commenting. your visit/comments are always very welcome.
p.s. there are lot of things that i do not know.
sun bin
i dont like you and i dont like a style how you treat your visitors.
Aside that this case is a fight between different scientists groups. one group will remind everyone that some experiments are dangerous and should be not taken so lightly by people and goverments. other group wich thinks that science should never be touched by security and more theoretical research before it going to push a button of "another doom mashine". Nevada nuces where soldiers were send out to stand against nuclear radiation was one of those scientific experiments.
i like the first group more even if it is not right in this case. there were some ancidents already where famous greedy scientists risked health and security of whole world and nature balance.
aside that;
"the nano-black-holes these pseudo-scientists are talking about are the mass of a few molecules."
these "pseudo-scientists" are not pseudo as you think. many of them are very acknowledged and very good scientists.
no, they are not scientists. some may have earned his tenure in some minor universities, but what they need is not sloppy claims, but scientific evidence, or 'calculations'.
the LHC has more than a couple dozen Nobel prize winners behind if you are talking about credentials. They all believe the worry are baseless. To put it simply, the risk is zero. If there is risk, the previous LEP under the same tunnel had been working for over a decade should also worry these pseudo-scientist, why don't they complain?
no, they are not scientists. some may have earned his tenure in some minor universities, but what they need is not sloppy claims, but scientific evidence, or 'calculations'.
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thats not tru! i know some of those scientists and they earned much respect of colleagues and they DID scientific evidences and calculations. if you have done your homework then you have learned about EU commision wich made last decision in this case. aside that evidences were very good because some parts of experiments are canceled based on this "calculations". i give you a big Tip to be carefuly wich Bullshit you are going to repeat without to know the case.
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the LHC has more than a couple dozen Nobel prize winners behind if you are talking about credentials.
just in case; Nobel prize dont make you genious and it doesnt make you into better scientist.
--They all believe the worry are baseless.--
thats anothe lie of you. they all have done more research about the security of this experiment.
--To put it simply, the risk is zero.--
again a lie... how can you talk about zero risk if this experiment even is using to prove theories. aside that a project leader have told by himself they do not know wich results will come up in this experiment.
--If there is risk, the previous LEP under the same tunnel had been working for over a decade should also worry these pseudo-scientist,--
are you talking about a mashine or are you talking about an experiment? because noone is against a mashine, but some scientists say this experiment can be dangerous and that we needs to be more carefuly..
seriuosly, you should start to understand what about you are talking here, instead to call good scientists as idiots and pseudo!!
---why don't they complain?--
why should they? Do they search in a same case? have they done a same experiments? realy, its not a car wich can be driven a same road all day again. new experiment = new risks and possibilites. and you should not jump on the basher boat without to know where is it swiming..
anon above,
you obviously know nothing :)
post link if you have. otherwise read the links at the end of my post first.
you obviously know nothing :)
why im not surprised here? if you have nothing to say, just let it..
ok. an example. LEP
do you know what LEP is? do you know LEP has been doing exactly the same thing (at a smaller energy) for some 10+ years? i.e. nano-black holes and the likes. do some research and get yourself familiar with a black hole is before you opine, please. (and to those pseudo-scientists as well)
ok. an example. LEP
do you know what LEP is? do you know LEP has been doing exactly the same thing (at a smaller energy) for some 10+ years? i.e. nano-black holes and the likes. do some research and get yourself familiar with a black hole is before you opine, please. (and to those pseudo-scientists as well)
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No , LEP DOES NOT THE SAME ! stop to talk bullshit!
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