(via Asiapundit) DPRK Studies shows that 45% of all Korean (South) people are either Kim, Lee or Park. If one use the same breakdown and project to the whole of Korea one has the following chart (source, 2000 figure)
- Top 3 concentration: 45%
- Top 10: 64%
- Top 15: 72%
- 22 names have over 1% population (see chart): 81%
The Han Chinese, being a much larger ethnic group, is less concentrated.
- Top 3 concentration: 23%
- Top 10: 44%
- Top 15: 51%
- 19 names have over 1% population (see chart): 56%
- It was said that there are some 15 family lines for Kim, Kim's need to check the line to avoid 'in-breeding' before getting maried. one is not supposed to marry within the same line.
Total Han Chinese population is about 1.2bn (92% of all Chinese)
The estimate is based on the population census of 1990, by sampling for each province and adjust for the population weight of the province. Taiwan is included in the survey. Regional difference is widely observed.
- Chen is the largest name in Guangdong and Taiwan (I suppose also in HK as well), over 10% of the local population
- 19% of all Huang's in China live in Guangdong (close to 8% of GD people)
- Wu represents over 5% of Fujian people, but only 2% in all China.
- Largest name Li, has a population of 95M, and close to 100M if including overseas Chinese dispora, biggest than the entire population of Germany or the 2 Korea's combined
- There are over 1000
commonsurname in large cities such as Beijing and Shanghai
- Many large names are probably expanded by ancient dynasties. e.g. Lee of Tang (many sinicized minorities and other Chinese were "rewarded" by being given the Emperor's name), Zhu of Ming, Liu of Han, Yang of Sui, Zhao of Song, etc.
- 1700 surnames (incl non-Han) in Taiwan in 1978, increased to about 2000 in 1989, but that is partly due to aborigine switch away from sinicized names
- see wiki for more
If the regional difference in Chinese is indicative, my extrapolation for N Korea must not be taken seriously (although the Korean, as a smaller country, is probably more homogeneous)
With the computer power today, I expect China would be able to publish an accurate bottom-up census like Korea did. Numbers may differ slightly.
update: don't miss language hat's comment discussion, and faar outliers's post.
"There are over 1000 common surname in large cities"
I thought everyone had a surname in one of the 'hundred family names' list (which is only a few hundred long)? Is that list not definitive?
sorry, i should not say "common", any name that it beyond 200 is probably rare, instead of common.
there are actually some 3000-5000 in total. and 1200-1300 in beijing or shanghai.
however, there are only a few hundreds in fujian. i do not know why fujian is so different.
(maybe in the north there are many sinified minority name)
see here , for example.
i suspect the 1200 names in beijing must include minorities as well.
for your interest, there are seom 1600-2000 name in taiwan. i do not know if that includes aborigine names, but i would guess it does.
since the data should be from taiwan census, i suppose you can also search similar quote in taiwan.
more concentration figures.
top 100, 87%
top 200, 90%
top 300, 98%
top 500, 99%
more recent data from taiwan, one of the reasons for recent increase include aborigine desinification.
Fujian (Min) surnames such as Lim, Kim, Oh and Lee sound similar to Korean, for some reason.
Fujianese also form the backbone of Taiwan province.
An emperor once sent troops to quell an uprising, and the rebels escaped by hiding in sugarcane fields. The event is commemorated to this day on the 9th day of the lunar new year, with lots of sugarcane, and is considered more impt than the 1st day!
Obviously, the Fujianese have always been an independence-minded lot! Yiding yao kaifang Taiwan!
Surnames also sound different in dialects. Chen is Chan (guangdong) Tan (Fujian) Chin (Hakka).
Zhu Tao(Putonghua) becomes Chor Toh(Cantonese) and Chuay Tor (Fujian) and are the various readings of the kanji words in Japanese, Hatsumomo.
i also thought there is some relation between Minnan and Korean pronounciation of chinese characters, not limited to surnames.
i suspect both are closer to ancient Han Chinese pronouncication (say 1500 years ago). but central and north china have undergone most changes due to minority sinification, so that the sounds are different now.
[Quote]An emperor once sent troops to quell an uprising, and the rebels escaped by hiding in sugarcane fields.[Unquote]
The fact is this happened during the Mongol invasion. The Mongol armies were savages. They commited lootings, killings and rapes whichever places they conquered. When the Mongols invaded Fujian, many Fujianese hide in sugarcane fields to elude from the ruthless invaders.
The Fujianese were the last group of Chinese who resisted the Manchus. Many rose up as Ming loyalists to fight the Manchu invaders and sacrificed their lives for their Motherland.
According to many northern Chinese I have met, Cantonese sounds very similar to Japanese or Korean. It is also commonly said that Cantonese is very similar to Tang dynasty Chinese. The Tang dynasty is when China first began influencing Korean (and, through Korea, Japanese) culture. Tranditional Korean clothing is also often said to resemble that of the Tang by many Chinese.
So Where do the surname Tang (same word as Tang Dynasty) came from? could people hold this surname are likely to be decendents of the dukes of Tang?
no, Duke of Tang of the Tang Dynasty belongs to the Li family.
However, there is another state called Tang in Spring/Autumn Period of the Zhou Dynasty, since around 800BC.
The source is reportedly traced to Emperor Yao of the pre-recorded-history "Myth period".
that is interesting...so my friend could be the decendents of royalty?
would it be possible to translate that to english? lol both me and myself cant read chinese
maybe, but be careful. sometimes the slaves/etc take the masters; name as well :) (just like the slaves in US did)
you can use google language tool to do a word by word translation.
"in ancient time, emperor Yao had been a tribe leader in a place called Tang (before he became the emperor). so some of his tribesmen took the name of the place they came from as surnames. when Yao abdicated to emperor Sun, Yao's son was named the Marquis of Tang. This then become the main source of Tang family.
The other source is when West Zhou, Emperor Zhao of Zhou given a place (currently Henan province) to Yao's descendant Liu Lei. the place is then called Province of Tang....(rest is about famous people of the family in Chiense history)
um... i see...
he has a family tree dating back till around 2500 years..far as he know their family used to produce and sell medicine..the family tree book was burned by the communists during the cultural revolution..
somehow he told me some generation of his family was in shanxi...that's why i thought his surname could of been linked to the Tang dynasty
he told me their family was named something else...for some reason their surname was changed to Tang
chinese history is very interesting...especially tracing back the family history since its such a nation with so many dramatic things happened...it appears that the less common surname seems to be more likely they are decendents of officials?
I'm Korean but don't know much about my culture or language but if anyone reads this do you know how to spell Mary in Korean like Sun Bin did.
Mary? You mean how to write it out phonetically? Please clarify. But ...
If you mean "marry" -- 결혼 means "marriage" and is pronounced "kyud-hone," somewhat. (approximated)
im korean and my last name is Go in korean sound but spelled Ko in america. how come im not seeing my last name in the chart??
We have interacted with Ma, Ha, Phan, Lam, Tran, Nguyen, Trung, Wong and others and our experiences have been varied. Though I think it was generally good. Our research indicated that many of you are of the XIA tribe of Central China.
Some of your children have affected my peace meter. At first i was angry but then determined them to be natures little testers. I have taken this as an opportunity to reprice China in a Global sense.
China GDP (2000 to 2150)
Population 14% to 25%
Land 5% to 20%
Food Production 5% to 23%
Electricity 3% to 19%
Tech 5% to 22%(Cell Phones, Computers, etc)
Roads 3% to 17%(Roads, Waterways, Railroads)
Culture 5% to 18%(Movies, Resturants, Events)
Forex 5% to 25%(Dong, Euro, Dollar, Rupee, Yen, Taka)
Debt -1% to -10%(External, Trade Deficit)
Anticipated GDP 16% of world economy (5% to 24%)
I made this map after years of hard work and I am sure that some of your bright ones can figure out the rest.
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